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Post by dm627100 on Sept 28, 2011 21:13:02 GMT -5
Congratulations to the Knights as the regular season champs, and to the Guzzlers as the runner up team.
It only seems fitting that these two teams met in the league finals.The best of 5 was great. Although I missed game 5, the other 4 games were a pleasure to watch.
Congratulations to the Guzzlers as the League Champions for the 3rd straight year and to the Knights as the runner up for the 3rd straight year.
On that note I think that the executive should discuss a means to bring more parity to the teams.If we look back over the past number of years, its the same 2 teams ( nothing against the Guzzlers or the Knights) at the top and the rest in the middle of the pack. Since we know that teams are only as good as their pitchers,my suggestion would be to take all the pitchers and put them into a draft. As it stands now some teams have 2 great pitchers and the others have average pitching.
This comment is also from other fans in the stands.
Just a suggestion from a fans perspective.
Once again not to take anything away from the Guzzlers. Congratulations.
Dennis
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Post by knightyknight on Sept 30, 2011 18:51:13 GMT -5
Dennis,
I do agree that it kind of sucks how it is the same 2 teams in the finals every year, however, this year the league was alot more competitive then in past years which means the league is getting stronger and I believe it will continue to get stronger. If you look at both the Knights and Guzzlers players alot of guys are getting older and chances are those guys wont be playing for too much longer meaning both teams will have to go into the draft. Pitching is a big part of the game but not everything. If you have decent pitching and good bats you can be a winning team. To have a pitchers only draft would be a huge headache and i'm almost positive alot of guys would not go for it. Not only because guys are comfortable with their current teams but alot of brothers and family members play on the same team with some of them being pitchers. I think this league is growing on a positive note right now as it is so why change a good thing?
Derek M
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Post by groy on Oct 2, 2011 19:12:24 GMT -5
It seems that in the past years (to my surprise), the Knights and the Guzzlers were not picking last and second in the draft. Since both teams are so strong, It seems logic that they, at least, they should pick last and second last for all rounds.
This will be proposed at this years AGM.
Gilles
P.S. Congratulations to the Guzzlers and Knights for another successful year.
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Post by knightyknight on Oct 4, 2011 15:41:53 GMT -5
That is the stupidest thing i've heard in my entire life. Why dont we just go and scrap the whole ratings system too then while were at it? Or maybe just scrap the constitution? Like cmon, the ratings sytem is in place for a reason. Just because your teams dont have the depth that the Knights and Guzzlers do doesnt mean they should pick last. If you want to change things so badly go play in the Glen Cairn where they have new teams picked every year.
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Post by knightyknight on Oct 4, 2011 15:43:16 GMT -5
And to correct you Gilles the Knights did pick 7th this past year, just because your team rep picked one of his buddies instead of someone decent isnt our fault.
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Post by nick22 on Oct 4, 2011 18:34:18 GMT -5
Gilles,
I am glad you brought that point up. This is why we have the AGM where you can voice your recommendations. We have tried to find ways to change our rating system and drafting system but we are in need of a better solution. Our system is certainly flawed, but we are hoping that someone can propose something at the AGM to change the ratings. We need to find a way to include regular season, playoff results and the players ratings to have a better draft system in place.
Hope to see some of you at the AGM this year.
Nick
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Post by bmflplayer on Oct 4, 2011 21:46:43 GMT -5
Firstly,
Congrats to all teams on another successful summer of ball in the bmfl. Once again showing what a great league we have around here. Also, congrats to the Guzzlers and Knights on a great final, it was very entertaining to watch! Big thanks to everyone who makes this league possible (exec, umps, etc...) and also to T.J who did a great job preparing the fields for each of the final games.
Secondly,
I just wanted to comment on this draft discussion. You guys can blame the draft system all you want, but some teams need to take ownership for past mistakes in the draft. For example, I recall Ryan Chatten playing for the Knights then re-entering the draft to be classified as a 'Pitcher'. I'm not sure of the pitching draft order that particular year but I can only imagine some teams passed on him however the Knights were smart by getting him because he's developed into a strong arm. I'm also certain Derek Martin was not the first player picked when he entered the draft and he's turned out to be one of the leagues best power hitters. Two examples of how the Knights have strengthened their team through other teams mistakes. The system will never be perfect. The Guzzlers are strong because they have good pitching...but their pitchers are brothers... so do you suggest we split them up? If yes, then we'd have to split up other brother combinations... and how well would that go over with the rest of the league.
I agree with Nick, if you have something to say or have some type of suggestion (i.e. new/modified drafting system), show up to the meetings. As far as I'm concerned, the league was very competitive this year and it seemed like any team could win most nights. More parity would obviously be ideal, but I think that would involve an overhaul of the league which is very unrealistic.
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Post by groy on Oct 5, 2011 7:08:22 GMT -5
Derek, there are a few comments that I wish to respond:
1) @just because your teams dont have the depth that the Knights and Guzzlers@ - This comments emphasize why the Knights & Guzzlers should pick last... Because they have the depth that other team don't have... If the rating doesn't reflect that the Kngihts and Guzzlers should pick last, then the rating system is flawed.
A team that comes first or second place three years in a row in the regular season and in the playoff is another indicator that those teams are strong... Again, if the rating doesn't reflect that, then the rating system is again flawed.
The are many strenghts in the Guzzlers and Knights, but having pitchers that can strikeout 15 batters per game will always maintain the teams competitive, regardless of the ranking system, but my suggestion at least provides a bit of hope for the remaining teams.
In order to correct the flawed system, I suggest that if a team finishes first or second place in the past three years, either in the regular season or in the playoff, the should automatically pick at the end of the rounds.
2) @just because your team rep picked one of his buddies instead of someone decent isnt our fault@.
As for the GOB team, I had a great time this year (and even in the past years) and wouldn't really change anything (except getting back Reg as our shortstop - I am sure that the whole team missed him this year (on and off the field).
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Post by matt on Oct 5, 2011 12:51:44 GMT -5
A few thoughts from the Rogues perspective:
1) Our team was unable to draft a Barber because of the brother rule, and 2-3 very highly ranked players because of the veto rule. (When the Warrior folded, most of them vetoed us, perfectly within the rules) The veto rule has since been abolished, so that's a good start.
2) I personally don't think standings and playoff finishes should come into play for the team rankings because if the Knights or Guzzlers lost their pitchers during the off-season, they'd be unfairly stuck at the bottom of the draft order. However, I think I've found a ratings system that more rightly factors in pitching, and I'll submit it at the AGM. While neither of the Guzzlers or Knights 1st round picks were the sole reason they did so well this year, the fact that the Guzzlers picked ahead of Exit and other squads is a problem for sure.
3) I love my team and wouldn't want a single one of us re-dispursed into the league. But I think the brother rule should be re-considered when game-chaging players are involved. If the Costello's came into the league, would they both go to Goodfellow Cleaners?
M@
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Post by ballchatter on Oct 5, 2011 18:11:56 GMT -5
I would just like to start of by saying,
Another good season of Blackburn ball, one of the best seasons yet and Blackburn definetly has one of the better ball diamonds in the Ottawa region forsure, and a great league to be apart of.
First of,
If any of the other teams in this league had the opportunity the repeat as "champions" or "finalist" consecutive years, would you voluntarily decide to change the whole dynamic of your team??
....I highly doubt it.
Like 'bmflplayer' said, Knights did a good job drafting a couple players who have obviously helped their line up offensively and defensively.
As well as the Guzzlers, three ago I was drafted 3rd overall by the Guzzlers as a pitcher. Passed up by Electric and GOB. Electric who took Bowman, and then GOB who took a 65 years old guy who pitched 1 season?? Go back to that year the GOB would possibly be in the same boat as the Guzzlers if they didn't go with the "experienced" pitcher (in my opinion). It's the way the draft works, you live and die by it. You're given the choice to draft what is available and if it's there, take what you can get.
It does get annoying hearing that people mention it not being 'fair', but it just goes to my first point. I doubt anyone would just volunteer to throw their two pitchers back into a draft or their team for that matter. It was being able to draft the right player at the right time, and that's when the pieces fell into place for us.
The rating system works based on team averages, the Guzzlers and Knights do have a 'strong' core, but so do other teams such Heat, Gob and Electric. You can't honestly tell me that the Guzzlers have the best 1-13 line up in the league....like...common. (We played every game in the finals with 12-13 guys and the Knights played the first 2-3 with 9-10 guys--nothing against whatever reason to having a shorter bench) Yes, our pitching is strong, but our defence isnt nearly as strong as some other teams (in my opinion). That is why we got a higher draft pick last year, because our line up isn't as balanced like most teams.
So, by this 'rating' system being suggested, aslong as Andy and I both strike out 12+ batters a game, we should just draft last automatically, no questions asked? Doesn't make any sence.
And throwing the Costello's in this thread as an example isn't even close to us...
Also, the only time Andy, Derek and myself ever got to play together, was Blackburn and we thank whoever (if everyone) agreed to it to allow it, and appreciate it.
I love the blackburn league, it's a ton of fun, every year seems to be getting better and more competitive, and if we are going to change the rating system, so be it. It still has to be fair for the rest of the league. Not because two teams go to the finals.
Jeff
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Post by knightyknight on Oct 5, 2011 20:36:14 GMT -5
I honestly don't think anyone couldve put it any better then what Jeff just said. Not because he is agreeing with my point of view but he has proven that it is the rep's fault for the players who have been drafted. So Gilles, maybe you should discuss with Johnny who you want to draft after the evaluation. Maybe someone who will help your team not someone who is his "buddy" or "experienced".
It is good to see that there are more than one or two people who are voicing their opinion for once.
Jeff, as far as our short bench, Ryan cox had hurt his shoulder than had his wedding, Steve Mayer was out of town for a week and Wayne had a bad ankle. It may have looked like we were shortening our bench but we werent in fact i think it may have hurt us not having those guys in our lineup, sparks during a game can come from any player.
I am looking forward to this years AGM if as many people coem to the meeting as we have talking in this post it should be a good night.
Derek M
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Post by groy on Oct 6, 2011 14:41:53 GMT -5
Interesting to see how your comments are a direct attack towards Johnny - GOB. But for the competitiveness / health of the league, other teams are also involved, such as Exit, Goodfellow Clearners, Gloucester Heating, Rogues and Mr. Electric. If the GOB made poor chooses in the past and still competes for 3rd place every year, I guess all other 5 teams also made very poor chooses too.
If you want to evaluate the competitiveness of the league, just need to look at the Standings and playoff results of the past 5 years...
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Post by knightyknight on Oct 7, 2011 19:39:06 GMT -5
First of all Gilles, I'm not attacking anyone, i'm stating the facts. And as far as other teams being involved, that has no relevance to anything because they aren't the ones b*tching and complaining its you. All i'm saying is bring up your issue at the AGM, maybe something will get done to satisfy your team, maybe not. I know for a fact that if there are major changes (for example: abolished brother rule, or complete overhaul of pitchers) the league will be losing alot of players.
Have a wonderful night Gilles.
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Post by crazyhorsejohnny on Oct 8, 2011 0:11:47 GMT -5
Jeff (ballchatter), just to clarify, the GOB didn't pass on you the year you came into the league. The Blues had the 1st pitcher pick and chose Nick. The Blues also had the 2nd pick because they had no returning pitchers from the year before. With the their 2nd pick they took Luc Dumas. They thought about taking you but we're afraid that you and nick would miss at the same time when playing for Orleans. Then the Guzzlers had the 3rd pick and took you. The Rogues picked next and took Kevin Wilson and then the GOB picked 5th and took the "65 yr old" as you put it.
As for Derek Martin , it's simple, your comments show you know nothing. Yes you can hit the ball but that's about it.
As for this year's draft the league allowed several guys into the draft even though they weren't at the evaluation. Rob Trudeau was one of them. Because of Jeremy's bad shoulder and my health we took Rob in the 2nd round for catching purposes. Rob was up and down behind the plate but where he really helped us was with his bat. He hit over 300. And with our 1st pick we took Scott Searle. He's only going to get better. Scott got some clutch hits for us and played lots of innings for us at 2B.
Anyways what I'm trying to say is I wouldn't change anything we did in the draft. We needed an infielder so we took Scott. The other choice was the kid with the good glove that ended up going to Gord's team. We didn't take him because 3 or 4 guys told me the kid had a bad attitude.
And we needed some catching so we took Rob in the 2nd round.
Yes these two weren't superstars but they are good guys who love ball.
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Post by crazyhorsejohnny on Oct 8, 2011 0:18:13 GMT -5
Oh yeah I nearly forgot, congrats to the Guzzlers on winning the playoffs. I wasn't able to go see any of the games but I gather some of the "old" guys gut some clutch hits. Way to go Steve, Rick, Mike and Jean.
Congrats to the whole team.
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