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Post by horseshoeman2006 on Jul 6, 2006 14:46:37 GMT -5
July 4 7:00 PM Guzzlers 14 Knights 1
9:00 PM Stan's Diner 2 Good Ol' Boys 16
There's never a need to humiliate a team. This league needs to get some class.
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Post by crazyhorsejohnny on Jul 6, 2006 16:35:16 GMT -5
Who are you anyways? If you're going to make comments like that why don't you say who you are? I'm John Tremblay and to be accused of not having any class is very insulting. Are you related to Don Cherry maybe?
The last game (before this week) we played Stan's I was swinging at balls over my head to try and get an out.
When we get up enough runs we don't bunt or steal. We don't take extra bases unless we have to like if the ball goes to the back stop.
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Post by crazyhorsejohnny on Jul 6, 2006 16:36:51 GMT -5
I tried a couple years ago to get a mercy rule but that got voted down.
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Post by crazyhorsejohnny on Jul 6, 2006 16:47:24 GMT -5
What this league needs is new blood at meetings.. Every year it's the same guys who run their teams and go to the meetings. And at last year's big meeting barely anybody other than team reps showed.
The secretary position is open. Why don't you put up or shut up.
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Post by Shannon Borho on Jul 7, 2006 8:35:11 GMT -5
Unless you were at the game, its a tough call as to whether you are humiliating a team or not. Is it more humiliating that say up 10 runs that you don't take a base on a PB, intentionally strike out, or intentionally run into an out, or not.
Baseball is a little different than hockey or football where in hockey, you can just sit back and play defensively or football, just run the ball up the middle all the time but in baseball, you can't start swinging at balls over your head.... thats how you get into slumps and form bad habits. All you can really hope for is help from the umpire that he opens up the strike zone.
For me its, don't take unnecessary extra bases, no need to score from second on a single, NO BUNTING, no stealing and no arguing with the umpires, etc.
As for the mercy rule, I agree with crazyhorse, there should be one but I think it should be a large margin, maybe 10 runs anytime after 5 full innings. Maybe we could also say that you can only get a +7 in the +/- in the standings and any margins of victory over 7 runs will be posted as a 7 run win.
The idea is that this is a fun league and no one is really having fun when the score is lopsided.
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Post by horseshoeman2006 on Jul 7, 2006 9:24:55 GMT -5
i agree a big problem is the lack of a mercy rule. i didnt mean to pick on any specific team. those scores were only an example.
but the problem still needs to be fixed. it stops being fun. just ask lacroix.
don cherry
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Post by Derek on Jul 7, 2006 9:59:02 GMT -5
A mercy rule would be a good idea. After a while you stop having fun out there when the margin is more than 10 runs either way. Its tough to stay in a game when its out of hand.
It would be nice to know that you're not going to get blown out every game, some kind of mercy rule would be much appreciated.
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Post by 10plusleagueyears on Jul 7, 2006 15:43:35 GMT -5
I agree it is not fun to lose by a large margin. I don't imagine teams that win by large margins like it that much either.
Many teams in this League could and will come back from big deficits. A team that scores a large number of runs early in a game could just as easily do it late in a game.
And Yes, new League executive members and players simply interested in league meetings are always welcome.
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Post by youngbuck on Jul 8, 2006 15:40:41 GMT -5
Well horseshoeman2006... My name is James Cochrane (Dan's son) and I played for Lacroix last year as my first year in the league. Now, if you remember correctly... we started off approximately 0 for our first 7 or 8 games... and a bunch were pretty lopsided. We were a terrible hitting team with questionable defence. I believe I remember a 20-6 game early on with GOB. Which didn't strike me as unsportsmanlike as they smacked the ball all over the park on us... while we played shoddy D. I think that a large mercy rule (10 after 5) would be a good idea to keep things adjusted properly.
I agree with Shannon with his take on "bad habits" and I wouldn't expect anyone to not hit the ball on purpose. I was on the back end of those scores and at no point did I feel humiliated. Humiliation would be what I felt if teams took it too easy on us. No need to steal bases or bunt and play "small-ball"... but c'mon... if you hit a gapper and can make a stand-up triple... do it... don't stand on first or second base as a gesture of "good" sportsmanship. It's not your fault the pitcher throws beachballs or the fielder couldn't close in on your screaming liner. The last half of the year we ended up playing some not bad ball and played around .500 or so.
Although it's never fun to lose and losing by such large margins is even worse... it had nothing to do with my failure to return to the league this year. I can only speak with absolute certainty on my own part and my fathers... I left to play my last year or two of football eligibility, while my father is much too busy with my youngest brothers football and the scheduling conflicts it creates. Ultimately, as he did with me while I was (and still am) growing up, he sacrificed something for himself so that he could be there. I can't put a price on what it means to have the "parents who are always at the game" as I'm sure some of you are lucky enough to know and for him it was an easy decision.
I believe with our team we had too many guys lacking the ability to commit to a majority of games for various reasons(we borrowed players enough times last year) and none of them I would guess were due to it "not being fun" anymore because of our losses.
All in all I think that the BMFL is a great league and I hope to return soon.
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Post by whunter on Jul 11, 2006 16:29:59 GMT -5
Nice e-mail James. You know where to find us when you are ready to play ball again. Feel free to bring some other young players with you.
I'm not sure if horseshoeman is just trying to stir things up or if he is just making mis-informed, idiotic deductions, but he shouldn't be spouting out confrontational remarks so quickly. I don't think people should read the scores on the BMFL website and see a 14-1 score and then automatically state that "the winning team was out to humiliate the losing team and should get some class". I was on the receiving end of the 14-1 score that you speak of and I can tell you that the Guzzlers did nothing unsportsmanlike and did not try to run the score up. We were missing some players (we only had 8 players to start the game so they lent us a player for the first inning...good sportsmanship) One of the better players in the league showed up early for his 9PM game. In a 0-0 game they had no objections to him playing for us as our 9th player...good sportsmanship again. We played a lousy game, made 10+ errors...couldn't hit...just simply sucked...no fault of the Guzzlers. The Guzzlers didn't bunt or take extra bases once the score was out of hand. They displayed good sportsmanship throughout. We just sucked. I have been on both sides of theses scores and true enough...these games are no fun for anyone. Someone mentioned that maybe we should have a mercy rule...10 runs after 5 innings would probably be good. If someone makes the motion for a constitutional amendment we can vote on it at the next AGM in November.
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Post by rejtable on Jul 11, 2006 22:28:05 GMT -5
The irony here is that in the GOB/Stan's game, the only individual who crossed any 'bush' lines was the SS for Stan's.
Down however many runs, and dude is yelling like a 10 year old trying to distract our guys on pop ups and stuff.
I'm no fan of that foolishness at the best of times, but surely to God the last thing you want to down (or up!) that many runs is to draw negative attention to yourself.
The few guys I know from that team, Mike, Dennis, etc, are stand up guys. I am 100% sure that the GOB did nothing in that particular game to rile anyone up.
I've played a fair amount of ball, good and bad, and I will say that the bmfl is the best league for sportsmanship I've ever seen.
Rej
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Post by dm627100 on Jul 25, 2006 19:51:54 GMT -5
Re What goes around....
Stan`s has been on the short (very...) (51 For, 194 Against, = -143) end of every game except our tie with the Ballbangers.Not once did the other team humiliate us. We humiliated ourselves with our lack of offence, pourous defence and endless errors....During quite a few of our games I have been approached by players from the other team to apologize for actions taken by one of his teamates. (T.J. for a new player who attempted to bunt with an 8 run lead)
There were other times when players from the opposition showed great sportsmanship.(Joe Allan for remaining on 1st base even after 2 passed balls), (John Tremblay for helping to end an ugly inning in the field for us).There are more.....
Unless you are involved with or saw the entire game you should keep any negative comments under your cap.The score doesn`t tell the whole story.
Positive comments are certainly welcomed.
We have a great league with great players.
Remember to play fair because what goes around.......
Dennis
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Post by Derek on Jul 26, 2006 9:03:50 GMT -5
Well said Dennis
Derek
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