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Post by nick22 on Jun 30, 2009 13:46:40 GMT -5
Hello,
for the Stan's Diner Draught players: I can understand your frustration. I too was frustrated that a top team was able to obtain a strong player. I would of rather a strong player go to one of the weaker teams. However, I discussed this with Reg, he explained the legalities involved in this. Although I understood this, I was still frustrated since some players may not come back since they are frustrated with results. With the game of fastball dying down, this would be the last thing that we want.
We also have to understand that when a team loses it's top pitcher, it is a big blow to a team. I do not mean to offend Derek or Ryan by saying this, but they can not replace Pierre.
Although your opinion may vary than mine, I believe the regular season is simply preparation for the post-season. Come post-season, anything can happen as standings do not mean anything. All it takes is some hot pitching and clutch hitting and there will be some upsets.
To protect the integrity of the league and the game, perhaps it should be discussed during the next AGM as how best to have a balanced league
Nick
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Post by Derek on Jun 30, 2009 18:25:47 GMT -5
I agree with Andrew. Aside from pitchers, your best players only have a handful of chances to win you the game on any given night. Given that, their odds of winning you the game aren't that great. However the odds of a player or players greatly contributing to a team losing a game are much better. It is much easier to loose a game. Thus Andrew's adage of most BMFL runs are results of errors by the defensive team.
I am not opposed to the way in which the reserve list is run. The system is not perfect, however it is the best way to run it without having to bring in an outside party to do so.
That said, I wouldn't want to see any players that don't have a full understanding of our Constitution become disgruntled because a good team seemingly gets better through the reserve list and a weak team has no such luck.
We play a gentleman's game in a gentleman's League and I hate to see any team benefit from the very small flaws of that such Constitution in an ungentlemanly manner.
- Derek
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Post by rejtable on Jun 30, 2009 19:35:29 GMT -5
I don't have much to add to your post Derek. As I said, I'd certainly love to see someone offer up a better plan. The reserve list is a crapshoot, but given the situation I just presented, I'd love to see anyone spell out a better way to do it.
Having said that, I do take issue with the "ungentlemanly manner" bit. If you or anyone has reason to believe I or anyone else has played loose with the rules, spell it out. If I did something intentionally wrong by the constitution, I'll gladly step aside for a better person.
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Post by baseracer on Jul 2, 2009 12:43:35 GMT -5
Hi guys,
In response to Rej's post:
"Second, at the time of the request, I don't know anyone who knew how good the player who has been assigned to the Knights was."
I have been informed (so the intel may be off, although by a knights player) that this is not the case. This is what I based my comments on. Supposedly, it was suggested that he indicate that he will catch, so that they would be able to skip him through the reserve list straight to their team.
Would any of the weaker players have this suggestion made to them? Likely not, since I know there is at least one other player on the reserve list that will catch too (if it gets him off the reserve list).
So if the information is incorrect, then please disregard my comments and a good team just got lucky.
And Rej, please don't take my comments as a reflection on your leadership in running this league. I think you're doing a great job (and it's not one I'd like to have!). I don't know that we'll ever reach a set of rules that makes everything completely fair. If I had any ideas, I'd suggest them and be at the table at the annual meeting.
- Andrew
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Post by otherwill on Jul 3, 2009 23:14:41 GMT -5
this is great discussion, I suggest that anyone interested in the league, and how it is run, should try to start comming out to the meetings every month. I was on one of those teams at the bottom. ( we don't even exist any more) I just showed up and played and some nights we would lose 7-4, 8-2, and some nights 18-1 that was frustrating. But when half our team left, not beacuse we were losing, (2 family's moved away- 4 players, and 2 players retired and 2 left because of work in another location, and country. there were only 4 of us left and we had no team rep. So we were re-drafted into the leauge. I was very interested in how things worked so I started showing up at the meetings and listening. Paying attention at how eveything was run . I didn't like the fact that my team was folded so I got involed with my new team EXIT right from the start. In the past I had made judgments and jump to conclusions and complained about the "leauge" , I will admit winning one game all season can do that, my Edward jones/ lacroix days . But I tryed to make it out to all the meetings and in doing so I now how have an apreciation for how the leauge works and why it is run the way it is. Also how hard eveyone works so that we have games to play and have feilds to play on, with umpires. With at least 9 guys (hopefully) and playing against 9 guys.
Changes can be made but you have to know how, and within the rules of the constitution of our leauge. I am glad that there is interest and discussion on this forum, I hope it continues. But If you really want change and have your voice heard, you have to become invloved in the process. As it stands we have around 100 members in the leauge and on average 15(that is being generous most meetings just a handfull) people are involed in the running of "our leauge" We all have a vote!!! We all get a say. this message board is great but you have to be willing to put some time in, to make changes, or you will just contiune to complain again next year.
To play devils advocate you may put your time in and get a motion to have some rule or rules changed but it still has to be passed, by a vote. Thats when the AGM gets fun! and long! lol Lets play some ball!!!!!! no more rain!!!!!!
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Post by crazyhorsejohnny on Jul 5, 2009 14:44:20 GMT -5
When I first joined the BMFL I wondered why this league had so many different rules and regulations than any other leagues I had played in before. But now I realize that without those this league probably would not exist today just like other leagues I played in like Carlton Russell League, Orleans League, Cyrville League and The RA League.
As for the brother rule, I think it's great that siblings can play together no matter if they're rated 5/5 or 2/2. I'm lucky enough to play with brother Robbie and also on the GOB Luc and Serge are brothers. If Pierre Lalonde's two brothers decided to come back to fastball I would have no problem them playing with Pierre even though Luc would prob be the best hitter in the league and Michel would be better than average player.
The reserve list is not perfect but what is? Wayne and Rej are honest guys and that is good enough for me.
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Post by crazyhorsejohnny on Jul 7, 2009 6:51:39 GMT -5
Hey I was thinking about Dennis's suggestion that we use the standings to determine the order of the draft. Well that would be great for the GOB. As most of you know we are the rated the highest by far. So last year we would have picked 4th instead of last. And this year we sit 3rd with the A's right behind us. So it would "help" the GOB.
So as you can see no drafting system is perfect.
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